From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.52.6.161 with SMTP id c1mr439095vda.5.1422398642173; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.33.98 with SMTP id q2mr3272obi.22.1422398641985; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:44:01 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!bm13no3429969qab.0!news-out.google.com!db6ni12056igc.0!nntp.google.com!hl2no3304798igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1391828381444007928.494546nonlegitur-futureapps.invalid@reader80.eternal-september.org> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=173.18.241.25; posting-account=HQu3XwoAAACgXAZiVLlGuYCkuhxw8i0w NNTP-Posting-Host: 173.18.241.25 References: <616ae348-41f6-446f-9c4b-0da8e398e75b@googlegroups.com> <1391828381444007928.494546nonlegitur-futureapps.invalid@reader80.eternal-september.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6b118519-c141-46fd-a017-f3af3809e5e0@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software? From: "Jedi Tek'Unum" Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:44:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:24769 Date: 2015-01-27T14:44:01-08:00 List-Id: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 6:39:56 PM UTC-6, G. B. wrote: > "Jedi Tek'Unum" wrote: > > The frustrating thing is that this situation has existed for 20+ years.= =20 > > It seems the community lacks the critical mass required to converge on = effective solutions. >=20 > Critical mass is seen near fads and big money, adoption of things that > change and transform, come and go. > PLs seem to develop differently: What is needed in order to sustain them = is > simply business. Yet nobody (I suppose there are still niche compiler vendors) really makes = any money on C/C++ compilers. Vendors only invest in them because they hav= e to in order to sustain their ecosystem (Apple, Oracle, etc). Its other a= spects of the ecosystem that generates revenue, not the tools. With Ada it is an entirely different story. Vendors (mostly AdaCore) need = revenue on the tools themselves because that is all they have for assets. = Their market is very small and not going to grow - they already have the cu= stomers who need it. Its disappointing that Ada is locked into this niche and shows little poten= tial to break out. I guess the problem is really that "general computing" seems to be decaying= in quality, not that it was ever very good. Most believe "good enough" is= just that and refuse to spend anything on something better. They believe = there is no solution to the ongoing maintenance costs and quality problems.= Even when there is. Inertia (and ignorance) is the killer. Back to the race to the bottom...