From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,470860aa3e635a7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:42:44 -0500 From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <13duou81kg3sd1c@corp.supernews.com> <13f3e0vbb05s47c@corp.supernews.com> <13f6eg0te46m2a3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:43:33 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <6Y6dnRPSgqC592HbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@comcast.com> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.20.111.206 X-Trace: sv3-fif2MvpqTGQdnDEYplj06b2yS4QMH0N4Jucta+Xo7w5LVMh1TsAz4rD28eraliSG3yO1xHVVdAFLXBm!saLZs1ANFMTRl4zUmSXVnc+U88ntNIIgipNeWIyYyHJLoxlwwx4VUlfbeS7kpQQoHFPE9EkZnhAD!LsQrQeELHjzM8blLGvtQlxdwZp+EOg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:2177 Date: 2007-09-27T19:43:33-07:00 List-Id: "Markus E L" wrote in message news:u1wsudty5c.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de... > > "Steve" wrote: [snip] >> What I was trying to point out (if anyone was listening) is that there >> are >> tools available (for tool builders, which I'm not... its just not my >> forte') >> that should make it relatively easy for tool builders to include support >> for >> interactively building .NET forms in the Visual Studio 2005 development >> environment. > > Obviously not easy enough to make building those tools into a viable > market. That might be due to the size of the market or the difficulty > / ineconomy of maintaining such support over the years. > That is the point that I question. Prior to Microsoft opening up the VS for adding tools I am certain that that was true. But who knows. It might turn out that the amount of work required to able to build forms interactively is minimial. That functionality already exists for multiple languages. Perhaps there are nice classes that just need to have the details of the language defined. That sort of thing certainly didn't exist in the past, certainly not from Microsoft, but you never used to be able do download a compiler for free from Microsoft either. > Still my point applies: You cannot imagin building GUIs w/o > "interactively building" etc. My suspicion why there is no market for > GUI builders is: > Actually, on the contrary I think this is one of the reason there is (almost) no market for Ada in the general computing community. I went through the process of justifying the choice of language for a system several years ago. At the time I was able to move things toward Ada. Since then matters beyond my control have moved things toward C++ and C#. In my experience, when the choice of a programming language has to be justified, any capability that choice A has over choice B is part of the consideration. Sometimes the reasons are real, sometimes they are not. That's just the way things work. Unfortunately with Ada the GUI generally goes in the disadvantage category. Regards, Steve (The Duck) > > > Regards -- Markus >