From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e6a2e4a4c0d7d8a6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,3488d9e5d292649f X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-03-01 13:48:50 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "AG" Newsgroups: comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.ada References: <1045856952.418085@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Subject: Re: Quality (Re: status of PL/I as a viable language) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <6V98a.113960$F63.2447189@news.xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:51:01 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.61.131 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1046555330 219.88.61.131 (Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:48:50 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:48:50 NZDT Organization: Xtra Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.pl1:4473 comp.lang.ada:34780 Date: 2003-03-02T10:51:01-08:00 List-Id: "Anders Wirzenius" wrote in message news:AY28a.143$X63.104@read3.inet.fi... > > "Anders Wirzenius" wrote in message news:MV28a.141$X63.124@read3.inet.fi... > > "AG" wrote in message news:n%T7a.112532$F63.2422763@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > > > "Anders Wirzenius" wrote in message > > > news:mCH6a.102$8M5.44@read3.inet.fi... > > > > > > > > > > The paradoxality lies in that you never can avoid the situation of "First > > > Do It And Then Test What You Have Done". > > > > > > Hmmm, jump off the tall building perhaps? Wanna do some tests? > > > > > > > > > > So how do YOU build in quality "jumping off the tall building"? ;-) > > > > Anders > > > > Sorry, failed the test: > > Should have written: So how do YOU build in quality in "jumping off the tall building"? > Well, if I had to try that for some reason I would make darn sure that the ropes are strong and there are multiple ropes just in case one of them fails and there is a safety net somewhere along the way to the ground. You may say that testing the ropes is a test - yes it is but it's totally separate from testing the whole thing. The same ropes could be used to rig a sailing boat say. That's what built-in quality means - by the time you try to test it it's way too late.