From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: billg@ALOHA.NET (William Murray) Subject: Re: Which language pays most 17457 -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1997/12/19 Message-ID: <67g0dl$63q@nuhou.aloha.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 308807884 References: <199712121931.LAA25389@sirius.infonex.com> <66sfln$uac@lotho.delphi.com> <3498315B.144B@pseserv3.fw.hac.com> <349745D3.F4AA0460@seasoned-software.com> <34994D43.6858@ici.net> <3499C34A.A187B478@pobox.com> <34ff11df.753819154@news.peacesummit.com> Organization: MSS Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-12-19T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <34ff11df.753819154@news.peacesummit.com>, ian@peacesummit.com (Ian Upright) wrote: >John Seitz wrote: > >>I personally think Pascal in a great educational language. However, if you (snip) >>John > >I've always thought the programming language HyperTalk, used in HyperCard on >the Mac was by far and wide the best beginning language. It's simple and >easy, and people can be programming in minutes. One would soon outgrow it, >(snip) > >Ian > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Peace Summit Technologies ian@peacesummit.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.peacesummit.com/ian/home.html It is interesting the criteria for deciding on the first language to learn. The 2 year technical college in my old hometown had as their FIRST COURSE for Comp Sci majors - 370 Assembler. The reasoning was that AL immerses the student in the "basic" structure of the machine and the operating system. At least that was the stated reason; I also heard that the "real" reason was a "survival of the fittest" test. It weeded out those students who could write "simple" programs in easier languages but did not have the skills/desire to handle complex systems. NOTE: I don't really agree with this viewpoint; just thought it would be interesting to introduce a different view. Of course, that was a long time ago and they have probably changed to a truly cryptic language, like C.