From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: "James Giles" Subject: Re: Which language pays most 17457 -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1997/12/19 Message-ID: <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 308700357 References: <199712121931.LAA25389@sirius.infonex.com> <349745D3.F4AA0460@seasoned-software.com> <34994D43.6858@ici.net> <01bd0c0b$53cc1860$26db45cf@juddesk> <67ccvl$iqj$1@darla.visi.com> <67comb$94o@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <3498B5A6.C404C703@seasoned-software.com> <67dc5k$o02@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> <34994C79.504D2881@seasoned-software.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-12-19T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: steve wrote in message <34994C79.504D2881@seasoned-software.com>... > > >James Giles wrote: ... >> There's no excuse for this attitude >> today - except that the vendors of systems have noticed that >> UNIX never failed in popularity because of these weaknesses. >> Bill Gates owes a lot to UNIX, if nothing else: for the pervasiveness >> of the attitude that the system *needn't* be secure, robust, and >> efficient. > >And windows with its DLLS is? What of the security problems in IE4? ... Exactly what I said. Bill Gates (Slick Willie West) has learned his lessons well. He'd never have got away with it if UNIX hadn't set the stage. He observed that people's reaction to problems with UNIX was not to demand fixes, but to hire 'systems administrators' and 'programmer analysts' to carry on continued maintenence. He just figured to build-in the same complexities and flaws in his own systems, and then corner the market on maintenence and upgrades. To have surpassed UNIX in this regard is no surprise, give that the lesson was clearly understood. If a *truly* robust, secure, and efficient system were available, most of those with the job titles I mentioned above (and a lot of others) would be out of work. The ratio of installed systems to system maintenence personel should be about the same as the ratio of vehicles on the road to the number of auto mechanics: 500 to 1000 (or higher). -- J. Giles Ricercar Software