From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad!fx30.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Wessel Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada,comp.programming,comp.databases.xbase.fox,comp.lang.clipper Subject: Re: Simulating the rolling of dices to produce truly random numbers? Message-ID: <66jc5d9lmlk2r5gediaoq8rp2to2svs024@4ax.com> References: <1bshbdljfk.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:32:23 -0600 X-Received-Body-CRC: 4138558517 X-Received-Bytes: 2224 X-Original-Bytes: 1959 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.c:204206 comp.lang.ada:49849 comp.programming:20474 comp.databases.xbase.fox:191 comp.lang.clipper:3109 Date: 2018-01-10T11:32:23-06:00 List-Id: On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 01:22:35 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: >On 11/1/2018 01:20, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> There are a zillion ways to generate truly random numbers, all based on >> somehow reading a suitably random input -- no need to simulate dice. >> >> To use a simulation of dice to get random numbers, you'd need to have a >> source of random numbers available to you, to perturb the the behavior >> of the dice. So you'd be using a (relatively) much more efficient >> source of randomness to drive a really inefficient source. > >Are you saying that dices are NOT random enough? > >(I remember Mr. Einstein's statement: "God does not play dice" :) While was Einstein rejecting quantum mechanics with that statement, the broad consensus is that he was seriously wrong. QM (in its modern form) is considered a massively solid theory, backed by masses of evidence, and tons of tested and verified theoretical predictions. And everyone fully understands that is also incomplete, and in conflict with relativity's understanding of gravity (and relativity also has massive support). Which is why the search for the so-called "Theory-of-Everything", is such a thing...