From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.66.228.102 with SMTP id sh6mr1971009pac.12.1455887258323; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.28.5 with SMTP id x5mr177406obg.8.1455887258285; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:07:38 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!hb3no7060632igb.0!news-out.google.com!l1ni18514igd.0!nntp.google.com!hb3no7060628igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:07:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=107.179.250.49; posting-account=MRPdDAoAAADUJmZVjnYaoafXFMadSeY1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 107.179.250.49 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <66c5617d-49e6-40eb-9341-31c6664b1f6c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: thick bindings, was Re: Vulkan is here! From: Olivier Henley Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:07:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:29547 Date: 2016-02-19T05:07:38-08:00 List-Id: On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 11:21:26 PM UTC-5, tmo...@acm.org wrote: > A thick binding, like any API, creates an abstraction intended to be > easier and safer to program than coding at a lower level. If you don't > like the abstraction, don't use it - it's straightforward to code the > necessary lower level thin binding instead. >=20 > A thick binding makes many assumptions about the state of the machine and > coding at the thin binding level likely makes those invalid. Luring the > programmer into trying to code at two different abstraction levels at > the same time is not a kindness. 1. I understand the goals of a thick binding.=20 2. I questioned its architecture. 3. I answered that previously: It is "nicer" when you assume that every one= swears by your coding paradigm (the one forced by the thick layer)... whic= h is, I think, close minded. A standalone thin layer does not prevent anyon= e else from undertaking a thick layer over it and still retains freedom for= others. 4. It is not THAT straightforward to make a pristine lower level thin bindi= ng as both Per Sandberg and Simon Wright have to exchange to clarify possib= le caveats.