From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: "Larry Elmore" Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/29 Message-ID: <65pa18$ffc@netra.montana.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 293649052 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Organization: montana.edu Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: billg@jk.pst.com wrote in message ... >In article , nojunkmail@ever.com says... >> Don't y'think its a responsible thing to do to verify what a prospective >> employee says? > >No. If you can't tell whether a person is being honest or ask _that >person_ more questions to verify, or give opportunity, then you should be >one to hire people (I know, this is OPINION, YMMV). The moment you >"check up" on someone, you have broken a potential trusting relationship. >Expect less than working toward common goals. No wonder no managers live up to your specs -- you require god-like omniscience (not to mention the patience of a saint). How can you tell whether a person is a thief, let alone whether or not they'll get along with other people you've already got working with you? As the man who thinks he can't be fooled, you're the perfect mark for a good con man... >> It's just as likely that difficult person was NOT "beyond the average" or >> have higher ethical standards. Really, on what do you base your above >> comments? :-) > >OK, so I forgot to add that the person may be very ambitious. That >doesn't mean they are "difficult" or even that it is their fault for not >"seeing" everything. But you as "manager" have no excuse. It is your >fault. Especially for not handling the situation appropriately by taking >the all to often used "you're difficult, you're fired". Perhaps, for >instance, you "forgot" (conveniently forgot in order to play the odds >that you would be able to excercise control over the individual or force >him/her to follow you) to explain that your machine was such that people >are only machine parts and their inherent worth is not valued. ;) How much work experience have you had? If you've had much, I'm beginning to suspect that you've been fired multiple times, or at least strongly encouraged to move on elsewhere. Either that, or this is a troll. As an employee, I realize I'm being paid to do a certain job. If I don't do what I'm hired to do, then why should they pay me??? That's the implicit contract -- I agree to do X, they agree to compensate me with Y. It's a mutual agreement -- no one is forced to accept a job. If you don't like it, move on elsewhere or starve. It's not that much different than 10,000 years ago -- certain things are required for survival. If you didn't want to do them then (farming's too hard, hunting's too icky, or whatever), you starved, or more likely, you became a primitive socialist -- those that did work should share with you simply because you deserved it from your "inherent worth" as a supposed human being (I'm here and I'm breathing, so feed me!) -- and if they didn't share voluntarily, you and your other lazy buddies took it by force. Quite frankly, I've known a _few_ people whose only "inherent worth" I or anyone else could ever discover was as dog food. Mostly they're in prison or became worm food and fertilizer. If you hire a couple of guys to paint your house, what do you expect them to do? If they ignore your directions, do things as they see fit, choose colors you think are hideous, get into fights with your neighbors, etc., are _you_ going to pay them? Will you hire them the next time you need that job or some other job done? Rememebr, there are no bad employees, only bad managers... Hmmh? Larry