From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ab26e93e5cda5b8a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Steffen Huber Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GnatBench (from GPL edition) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:14:42 +0200 Organization: LambdaComm System Message-ID: <65jp0kF2f6de5U1@mid.individual.net> References: <83f3c6f9-603d-45ea-9653-bd4790f84871@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <3mqiu3pdt12sirmn5dko6mjo1snr3infrh@4ax.com> <52ilu39q6mje4df8csr9odpkick389alh2@4ax.com> <8ijtu314uf1j34hc837qkgtgd4lqbr0q5l@4ax.com> Reply-To: steffen@huber-net.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net E75eqXUCWHUcwpnfH507tQ4EE6FxKnSel5BIgf/OGdftX/ISY= Cancel-Lock: sha1:IVldLkxol3VD3rQlGY4StrXsD+Y= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20773 Date: 2008-04-03T12:14:42+02:00 List-Id: Randy Brukardt wrote: [Eclipse as an IDE] > I understand the market pressures, but on a practical basis, I don't > understand the big deal about bloated IDEs anyway. Everything that is > worthwhile in an IDE is language and compiler-specific anyway (debuggers, > error messages, syntax, symbol browsing, project management), so what can > this empty framework actually accomplish? It seems like just another way to > keep Intel and AMD in business by forcing machine upgrades that aren't > necessary. I can think of rather a lot of things in an IDE that are basically "language agnostic". Beyond providing a lot of code reusage possibilities (e.g. for the editor and the whole windowing stuff - the docking containers in Eclipse are a good example of that), think about "generic editors" for resources used in many languages (e.g. xml and text files), the help system, integration of a versioning system, integration of an issues tracker system, diff tools... If you are used to a tight integration and powerful plugins in Eclipse, evaluating something like GPS just makes you feel sad about the many hours wasted for reinventing the wheel, and coming up with much worse a wheel. Steffen -- Steffen Huber hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/