From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Larry Elmore" Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/24 Message-ID: <65dsjd$6gq@netra.montana.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 292452748 References: <65ab3u$v07$1@news.nyu.edu> <3479B4F1.D575BEFC@SomewhereElse.com> <01bcf94a$43fbc1c0$LocalHost@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Organization: montana.edu Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Leon Jones wrote in message <01bcf94a$43fbc1c0$LocalHost@default>... >Me wrote in article ><3479B4F1.D575BEFC@SomewhereElse.com>... >Being dishonest and _getting caught_ being dishonest are two completely >different issues. Your failure to distinguish between the two suggests a >fundamental nievety. Either that or you view the world through rose tinted >specs. If you've got a lot riding on it, only a fool would even take the _risk_ of getting caught. The costs can be enormous. Witness Intel's attempt to keep quiet about the Pentium math bug a while back. That just made things worse for them. >> If you develop a good solid product, >> it is unnecessary to decieve customers into buying it. > >This just doesn't follow unless your's is the only company in a particular >market. How often do you see advertisments along the lines of, "Well, it's >good but not as good as X/y's along the road.". Someone's got to be lying >- they can't all be the best. If there's so many great products, out there >in "Honest Corporate Land", that don't require advertising why so many >adverts? Obviously, there's some degree of lying involved with some (or a lot) of advertising. But that's not capitalism's fault. Look at the communist countries of a few years ago -- continuous, shameless advertising to their own populations (i.e., propaganda). At least under capitalism, if the claims exceed the reality very far, you can sue them for false advertising, that is to say, fraud. >> There was a time that a >> company could get away with deception and dishonesty (kind of like the >current >> President.) but with the information that is available on just about >anything, it >> is very difficult for one to get away with it today. If you want to see >the >> biggest example of lack of honesty and ethics, go back to the Soviet >Union where >> you belong! Oh, sorry it's not there anymore. > >I would like to know how you can substantiate your claims that the Soviet >Union was inherently more corrupt than other administrations. Are you >suggesting that congress, (I assume you are american), is as pure as the >driven snow. Infact America's attempts to cripple other countries into >conforming to it's elitist, arrogant definition of the ideal world amount >to nothing less than blackmail - an honest and commendable practice? I >fear not! I don't think the claim was made that Congress is all wonderful and shiny clean. It certainly isn't. And America's practices overseas are largely unknown to Americans at home, though that doesn't excuse the government and the multinational corporations. They're very often anything but free-trade and human-rights once you look below the surface. >The only thing that makes me more angry is the fact that our >current British administration continues to follow America like a sad, lost >puppy further feeding it's ambition to occupy the moral high ground and >preach to the rest of us. More like America following along in Britain's tracks, several decades behind. The British Empire was not exactly the nice guy on the block, either, if one didn't toe the line... >Anyway this is going decidedly off topic but I invite further comment on my >e-mail address. Believe me I could go on forever :-) Should be interesting, then! Larry