From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, PLING_QUERY,PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: ok@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (Richard A. O'Keefe) Subject: Re: How big is an int? (was: Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!)) Date: 1997/11/24 Message-ID: <65b1hu$dn9$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 292038652 References: <64fbr2$76k$1@route1.mdrf.france3.fr> <879901314snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> <3473B088.3227@dynamite.com.au> <64ve5n$c6m$1@helios.crest.nt.com> <3474C1F0.365A@dynamite.com.au> <6527n9$340@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. NNTP-Posting-User: ok Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-11-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Craig Franck writes: >There was a post in which it was stated the most Ada programmers had >the language definition handy while most C programmers did not, and >C programmers where more likely to confuse the compiler docs with the >standard. May I point out the obvious reason why this is true? Ada programmers keep the LRM handy because they *can*; the Ada standard is available *free* over the net. So is the superb Ada Qulity and Style Guidelines. No version of the C standard is, has been, or foreseeably will be. I am one of several people who have argued in comp.std.c that the C9x standard, or at least the public review drafts, _should_ be available free. I cannot imagine any good C++ programmer who wouldn't want to have the current draft of the C++ standard handy, and that _is_ available over the net. >It is this elitest mentality that may put some people off; What's "elitist" about using the freely available documents? Is there any good programmer for _any_ language who wouldn't gladly keep the relevant standards available if s/he could afford them? The HTML standard is freely available, so good HTML authors use it. That's not elitist, that's just sense. -- John �neas Byron O'Keefe; 1921/02/04-1997/09/27; TLG,TLTA,BBTNOTL. Richard A. O'Keefe; RMIT Comp.Sci; http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/%7Eok