From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 5b1e799cdb,3ef3e78eacf6f938 X-Google-Attributes: gid5b1e799cdb,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: tm Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.modula3,comp.programming Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <6550161f-7cf2-4792-a4eb-da31780ab280@e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <4fc0934e-197b-4a02-a006-4b64072897b2@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <7020ad82-ed09-4c87-8f46-db23bf2fa866@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.58.191.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1248430560 28908 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2009 10:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=195.58.191.10; posting-account=269_QwoAAADSifhJt6OVa6bEjZR2ZMUB User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.eiffel:409 comp.lang.ada:7312 comp.lang.modula3:97 comp.programming:12017 Date: 2009-07-24T03:15:59-07:00 List-Id: On 24 Jul., 11:31, Jon Harrop wrote: > tm wrote: > > Simplicity of languages and their implementation got lost somehow... > > The F# team at Microsoft used to advertise that their compiler was under > 10kLOC. Is is possible to verify this claim? Is the F# compiler released as open source? Is it available on "all" operating systems? What about the (guessed) 100MB DLLs which are used? Do you trust a quasi monopolist? You may have your reasons to push F# all the time, but there are also open questions (see above). I also think that it is not a good idea to use a language dominated by a big company. Seed7 is not owned by a company. Instead it is released as open source. You can look how the features are implemented and everybody is invited to join the project. BTW: Seed7 has different goals than F# and its philosophy is more close to what the OP is interested in. Greetings Thomas Mertes Seed7 Homepage: http://seed7.sourceforge.net Seed7 - The extensible programming language: User defined statements and operators, abstract data types, templates without special syntax, OO with interfaces and multiple dispatch, statically typed, interpreted or compiled, portable, runs under linux/unix/windows.