From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,8ae637be9dba997 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8ae637be9dba997 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "bklungle" Subject: Re: IDE/Rational Apex experiences Date: 1997/11/12 Message-ID: <64br02$d48@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 288836366 References: <6429gb$5qh@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> <64a8tp$lro$1@rational2.rational.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Organization: B & D Associates X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Nov 12 2:56:34 AM CST 1997 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-11-12T02:56:34-06:00 List-Id: 1. See my previous re config. 2. If Mr Bereny wants to call 310-616-2524, I will be glad to have the software lead on the project tell him everything he wants to know, recorded in a log book. cheers..bob Gabriel Bereny wrote in message <64a8tp$lro$1@rational2.rational.com>... >bklungle (bklungle@ix.netcom.com) wrote: >: At a certain large AeroSpace company, use of Rational Apex was mandated by >: management. There are 27 programmers trying to develop a very large ground >: based processing system using C and C++. When 4 users log onto the Rational >: Apex system, the response time on the network increases to around 20 >: minutes. The system HAS been optimized about as much as the Gurus know how. >: At this time, there is a pending uprising within the working staff to >: eliminate it. Instead of a productivity improvement, it has brought >: development to a standstill. Almost everyone would rather go back to SCCS >: than continue with Apex. >: One users experience over the past 11 months. > >Mr. Klungle does not specify anything regarding the hardware on which >his company is running Apex, nor about the network configuration, nor >about what sorts of operations are being performed on the system. >I'm not doubting the veracity of his statement that things are slow >or that the system has been optimized "as much as the gurus know how". >But still we are left with questions about the precise nature of the >system abd the operations. > >If Rational Apex is installed on a single IPC with 64 MB of RAM and >4 users access Apex using PCs running some xterm emulation software >as displays and rlogins to the IPC to run Apex, I have no doubt that >response will be miserable. Note that this still fits in with the >information that Mr. Klungle supplies. The system described is not >what one would recommend, but it may well be "optimized" as much as >it can be. > >We in Rational technical support have run six, seven, and more >sessions of Apex on a single server (first a SPARCstation 10, now >an UltraSPARC 2) using other SPARCs as displays many times over the >past few years and have never seen "response time on the network >increase to around 20 minutes" (whatever that statement may mean). > >If Mr. Klungle claims that his company has a proper hardware and >network setup and that response time for an arbitrary operation >(again, there's no clue about what operations he's discussing) is >20 minutes, then I would have to doubt that the system is >optimized or that the operation to which he is referring is >"normal". "Not normal" might include checking back into a library >a 400,000 line file in which every other line has been changed. > >I agree that Apex is large and slower than something like SCCS. >On the other hand, Apex does a heck of a lot more than SCCS, than >vi, than ... There's no free lunch. Increased functionality >requires larger amounts of space and large executables require >more resources to run. This is certainly not a quality unique to >Apex. If the current resources are strained even though they have >been optimized, then more resources are needed. This is the way >of the world in the computer business. Rational didn't make it >this way but neither can Rational change this immutable fact. > >If the management of "large AeroSpace company" bought Rational Apex >strictly as a replacement for SCCS, I'd be surprised. If SCCS is >all that is needed, the working staff has a legitimate gripe about >the response time. But I think that time griping and waiting for >system response would be better spent presenting a case to the >management that if they expect software tools to increase productivity, >then they must invest in some hardware as well. > > > >Gabriel Bereny >Rational Software Corporation >Technical Support