From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public From: ell@access5.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/09/15 Message-ID: <5vkbej$gur$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 272777750 Followup-To: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Organization: The Universe Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-09-15T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Tim Ottinger (tottinge@dave-world.net) wrote: : : People don't know what they want. Believe me most people _do_ know what they _want_. : They don't know what they need. Never? In all cases? So only the engineers can tell us what they need? This is a lot like the statement your president RMartin made that "the engineers should determine the domain model". I think you are wrong to make such an uqualified assertion. If you said: "They _sometimes_ don't know _precisely_ what they need", you would be a lot closer to the truth, imo. Elliott -- "The domain object model is the foundation of OOD." "We should seek out proven optimal practices and use them." See SW Modeller vs SW Pragmatist Central: http://www.access.digex.net/~ell