From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: dnew@zloty.fv.com (Darren New) Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/09/05 Message-ID: <5upf34$7nt@newshub.atmnet.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 270020477 References: <5u5m5b$7q6$1@news2.digex.net> <5ue2sn$32g$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com> Organization: FIRST VIRTUAL Holdings Inc. Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-09-05T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <5ue2sn$32g$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>, Paul Johnson wrote: >I think it is quite reasonable to assert that "technical" superiority is >a real concept, and that it is separate from market success. Conflating >these two concepts is dangerous. Especially when the product being considered is a technical product used by technical people, like a programming language or environment, CM tools, etc. In these cases, I think it's often more of "how fast can I get acceptably effective" as it is "how effective can I get in a given time period". These two can be quite different numbers, especially when "acceptable effectiveness" is low enough and there's previous experience involved. E.g., I can be acceptably effective with K&R C in many ways, even if spending a month learning Ada would make me 20 times as effective at the technical aspects of my job. In many cases, these types of decisions are made by default, or by managers also considering the costs of tools without considering the costs of lack of productivity from cheaper tools. --Darren