From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: ell@access1.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/29 Message-ID: <5u5m5b$7q6$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268875903 Followup-To: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Distribution: world Organization: The Universe Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Jon S Anthony (jsa@alexandria.organon.com) wrote: : In article <34059D8A.3F3B7FA4@brightwood.com> "Brett J. Stonier" writes: : : > Now, how about an example of superior technology that won out? Take the : > Japanese car manufacturers of the 80s. Did they attack the U.S. car : > industry? I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think they did. They : > made superior cars and sold them at a reasonable cost. And they made a : > huge dent in the U.S. car industry, knocking them off their throne of : > dominance. So, it seems to be possible to take the high road and still : > win out. : This is the _only_ way to win out in the end. It may well be that : this won't be sufficient, but anything else is a sure-fire elixer for : absolute failure for the reasons you cite. No it isn't. You can win with an inferior product due to other factors. The overwhelming evidence of which some refuse to accept. : In this particular case : you site, I happen to know that indeed there were no such attacks. I can remember the Japanese automakers hitting the US ones hard in the '70's and '80's on quality, and mileage. I don't know how much this helped them, but they did it. : The main reason why this might not be enough is two fold: : : 1) there needs to be "enough of a win" Again, an inferior product can "win" due to factors other than the those inherent in the products being compared. : 2) the _customer_ needs to twig that there is such a win. Often for the _customer_ to "twig" things, the customer's eyes and ears need to be opened. This the Japanese automakers did freely. : By 2) I don't mean the _manufacturer_ (coder, whatever), but the "end : user". That is what I mean also. Elliott -- "The domain object model is the foundation of OOD." "We should seek out proven optimal practices and use them." See SW Modeller vs SW Pragmatist Central: http://www.access.digex.net/~ell