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From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu
Subject: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers
Date: 1997/05/27
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kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) writes:
>Fritz W Feuerbacher <fwf27775@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
>>Kaz Kylheku (kaz@vision.crest.nt.com) wrote:

>>: Software is not technology; the stuff that it runs on is technology.

>>So the concept of Software Engineering Technology is not a technology?  I

>The concept of software engineering is flawed to begin with. Engineering is
>the application of physics to produce technology. 

>If physics is not involved, you aren't producing technology, nor are you
>doing engineering.

Never heard Chemical Engineering, eh?

>From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:
(somebody care to dig out the OED?)

Technology: 
1. The application of science, esp. in industry or commerce.
2. The methods and materials thus used.

Engineering: 
1. The application of scientific principles to practical ends at
	the design, construction and operation of efficient and
	economical structures, equipment, and systems.

Science:
1. [snip] investigation and theoretical explanation of natural
	phenomena
4. Knowledge, esp. knowledge gained through experience.

Is Computer Science a science?  Well, in the purest sense I suppose CS
is more akin to mathematics than Science (TM).  OTOH is anyone here
willing to cross a large bridge designed by somebody who doesn't
have a good grasp of trig.?

I am sure there are plenty of computer programmers who are closer to
bricklayers than to engineers, but there are plenty of bio grads who 
are glorified bottle washers too. (for a while anyways)

Face it Kaz, you misstepped.

Robert
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