From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC,T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: postmaster@[127.0.0.1] (Mark Allen Framness) Subject: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers Date: 1997/05/23 Message-ID: <5m3pti$lfp@ns2.emirates.net.ae>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 243360723 References: <5lsjb3$bqc@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> <01bc66fa$ee7910e0$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com> Organization: PERSONAL Reply-To: framness@NOSPAM.EMIRATES.NET.AE Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-05-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In message <01bc66fa$ee7910e0$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com> - "Nick Roberts" writes: :> :>These 'dreamers' may never have been practical or realistic. But they :>invented the science. :> :>If someone says "what if...?", it is fine to say "nice idea, but not :>today", but at the same we should not get into the habit of 'stepping on' :>those who suggest ideas. I don't suppose Robert was trying to give this :>impression at all, but I hope nobody wrongly gets this impression. We need :>our dreamers. Yeah sure this is all true, but we can not lose fact of the sight that science is much closer to EVOLUTION rather than REVOLUTION, you do say this but I want to pull out that salient point. Scientific revolutions do happen but they are far and few in betweeen. In general all scientists are dreamers (the same can not be said about engineers though). The very nature of science demands a creative approach to problems. Engineering typically is a much more pragmatic discipline. I studied math & physics at the University. I complained to an engineer friend about all of the canned formulas they use and how if they would just use first principles they can derive those and would not have to memorize all of that stuff by rote. His response was simply: we do not have the time to do that, which is true. Pretty soon I would guess we will see the title "computer science" become a lot less significant. Most people will no longer work for a BS in Computer Science, but in Computer Engineering instead. Most computer science programs will become servant programs to the Computer Engineering programs and those who are studying computer science as an undergraduate plan to work for a MS or a PhD in computer science. Take Care! postmaster@[127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Spam booby trap!!! FROM: Mark Allen Framness HOME: framness@.NO_SPAM.EMIRATES.NET.AE ^^^^^^^^ To reply delete the reply to address and delete the NO_SPAM from the above address. WORK: m477@NO_SPAM.ugru.uaeu.ac.ae ^^^^^^^ To reply delete the reply to address and delete the NO_SPAM from the above address. HTTP: http://netnet.net/~farmer/index.html To send me e-mail use the above address and delete NOSPAM from the one in the reply field. All standard disclaimers apply. Anyone who says likewise is itching for a fight! Visit my homepage and answer the Trivial Troubles question! /************** NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE ***********************/ For a fee of $500.00 I will proofread your unsolicited commercial e-mail. Mailing me commercial e-mail constitutes acceptance of the above terms.