From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) Subject: Re: Any research putting c above ada? Date: 1997/05/07 Message-ID: <5kqnfb$534@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 240042792 References: <5ih6i9$oct$1@waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu> <336F815F.41C6@cca.rockwell.com> <3370B657.41C6@cca.rockwell.com> Organization: Prism Systems Inc. Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-05-07T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <3370B657.41C6@cca.rockwell.com>, Roy Grimm wrote: >Engineering judgement is the ability to solve problems. Teach someone >how to solve problems in general, then show them the specifics of the >field and they can apply their fundamental problem solving ability to >that field. Electrical engineers can combine thousands if not millions >of different components into electrical systems governed by very complex >differential equations. Why then is it that professors can teach them >how to do it effectively yet you claim the computer science students >couldn't learn how to combine software packages together? Is there some >genetic defect with computer science students? This is another sweeping generalization. Some engineering departments crank out graduates who are unable to wire up two transistors together, never mind thousands of components governed by complex DE's. Some schools have EE programs that focus on theory and examsmanship, like those CS programs you guys are bitching and generalizing about. I've met EE's who couldn't assemble a ham radio project from RadioShack if their lives depended on it. They had programming jobs, of course, in which they churned out 500 line functions with global side-effects. That is not to say that there aren't engineering schools that actually turn out engineers. One thing I learned in those discrete mathematics and logic courses was that one crow being white doesn't imply that all crows are white. Ah, but that's just theoretical masturbation. In real life, generalizing works all the time.