From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c42dbf68f5320193 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-05-08 10:32:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3bae8248!not-for-mail From: tmoran@acm.org Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Generation of permutations References: <3CD9505F.344C13EA@san.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Tom's custom newsreader Message-ID: <5idC8.229$Sz1.25656345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.115.107.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1020879105 ST000 67.115.107.194 (Wed, 08 May 2002 13:31:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:31:45 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: Q[O[SX[DGJVOBFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQMIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:31:45 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:23730 Date: 2002-05-08T17:31:45+00:00 List-Id: > > If your random program generator will create all possible configurations > 1) A random program generator will not necessarily create all possible > configurations of RAM unless you run it an unbounded number of times. "If X then Y" is not disproved by "not X". And you are thinking of a mathematical random generator. Randomness is not important for the original argument - completeness is, as you note. Try Seed : Big_Number_Type := 0; function Random return Big_Number_Type is begin Seed := Seed+1; return Seed-1; end Random; It may not be statistically random, but it surely returns every possible value of Big_Number_Type. > 2) In trying to keep track of how many times you've done something, you > wind up using memory that you might not have. For example, you can't Clearly you can't have the machine watch itself. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. But a finite machine can be watched by another (larger) finite machine. > 3) Finite computers are uninteresting to theoreticians. :-) And infinite computers are of only modest interest to [software] engineers. Like proving there is no largest prime. Interesting, educational, encouraging (or discouraging), but not a reason to stop trying to make a better primality testing program.