From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5ea968aeb8c7f10d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,d71a6822cd2fec5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: jmartin@cs.ucla.edu (Jay Martin) Subject: Re: Do I Really Need A Supervisor? Date: 1997/03/18 Message-ID: <5gmlih$1rem@uni.library.ucla.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 226480848 Distribution: inet References: <3327438E.942@earthlink.net> <5g7u24$1jeg@uni.library.ucla.edu> <01bc3276$57fc1800$0902a8c0@alice> Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-03-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: >Jay Martin says ><(otherwise, they'd be doing it themselves), so they try and inflict this >"process" which they've read about in magazines and seminars.... all >probably written/run by people who haven't ever written a line of code in >their lives. And they think if this process is followed, then they can >feel secure in the fact that our product will be correct. Instead, it >brings our overhead right back up to those of the big companies. It >increases the life cycle, increases the cost... and depresses us coders.>> >Maybe we could entitle this the "hackers lament". Personally I would not >touch with a ten foot barge pole any organization whose programmers had >this attitude, sounds like SEI maturity level -1 at work :-) Actually the above was written by: "deco" . Jay Martin (Though I am sympathetic to calls to shoot managers who can't "software engineer" their way out of bag making software "process" decisions beyond their comprehension)