From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: feldmand@erols.com (Damon Feldman) Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1997/01/25 Message-ID: <5cblii$jhq@boursy.news.erols.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 212089695 references: <32D11FD3.41C6@wi.leidenuniv.nl> <32E7F7D5.15FB7483@eiffel.com> organization: Erol's Internet Services newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1997-01-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Bertrand Meyer wrote: >Bjarne Stroustrup wrote: >> C++ use grew >> very nicely for years without hype. I base my statement on years of looking >> at C++ use, teching, and learning - many of those years were before anyone >> was given time off from their day job to learn C++. >This is really too far off the reality to let pass >people promoting >less-hyped and less-politically-correct approaches, coming in many cases >from private industry (often precisely because they were more innovative >and could not find a hospitable environment in academia or even large >corporate research labs) had to resort to the normal, commercial forms >of "marketing", thus allowing their better endowed competitors to drape >themselves in the mantle of Pure Science and accuse the former of crass >commercialism. This is a very effective tactic, and worked quite well in >the history of O-O: keeping innovators away from the Establishment Come come. Private industry is more innovative than academia "or even large corporate" labs? "This is an effective tactic [for] keeping innovators away from the Establisment?" If the innovators did get close to the establishment, might they have discovered who really assasinated Kennedy :-). Just kidding, of course. But I think that the academic success of C++ was based on acceptance by tenured faculty who were not payed off or otherwise influenced by big business or in a conspiracy to foist C++ on the programming community. C++ was object oriented, and it was downward compatible (almost) with C, which was and is in wide use. Damon