From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.182.45.162 with SMTP id o2mr8575696obm.20.1412860497733; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:14:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.38.177 with SMTP id t46mr19778qgt.21.1412860497632; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!uq10no7249587igb.0!news-out.google.com!rp1ni24618igb.0!nntp.google.com!uq10no7249586igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 06:14:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02c3b60f-9b1a-486a-82b2-351c4ef2589f@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.160.220.73; posting-account=28F2IwkAAACL1Z5nRC-dE7zuvWdbWC7P NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.160.220.73 References: <54322bcb$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <45107455-131c-415f-a24a-9d68fd7da4d7@googlegroups.com> <35af326e-5601-4b39-b323-d2e406b16b77@googlegroups.com> <8a0db66f-2bb6-49b8-ad3b-781b41ccdca3@googlegroups.com> <549a2774-28f2-4c6c-b39d-406eba70e36e@googlegroups.com> <02c3b60f-9b1a-486a-82b2-351c4ef2589f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5aaed1ed-feaa-4ac9-94fe-ff3302e56a8e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Why GPL for GNAT hurt(s) the Application Space From: tonyg Injection-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:14:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22278 Date: 2014-10-09T06:14:57-07:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 23:09:58 UTC+1, David Botton wrote: > >> I think this claim may not have been accurate (otherwise=20 >=20 > >> why would FSF require copyright statements in each file?)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I think the entire GNAT GPL idea is suspect, however, I and I think most = others are not about to challenge it. I had my vote at an AdaCore meeting a= gainst the idea and what was, is. >=20 >=20 >=20 > As I wrote, GNAT GPL _hurt_ and _hurts_ the Application programming space= for Ada, even though for AdaCore it "may" have helped to stem the tide of = customers leaving to use the public releases. Sure it is better that GNAT G= PL exists than nothing. Since that would hurt all of Ada. Certainly I appre= ciate that it is AdaCore that fuels the development for these years of a fr= ee compiler. So don't get me wrong. I understand, appreciated and even like= AdaCore. >=20 >=20 >=20 > However, I think worth making a _very clear_ statement if not for those w= orking on http://gnuada.sourceforge.net/ (you all have my praise) and produ= cing a Mac FSF Gnat version, I would never have bothered to write Gnoga, I = would never bother with Ada public projects again, I would have just used a= nother (unnamed language and dev environment) that I have used for numerous= projects since being away from working on public Ada projects (although I = have been doing private Ada work, even did some for AdaCore). >=20 >=20 >=20 > I had the idea for Gnoga even before websockets came out years back. I ev= en had some tests running using alternate methods. The point is I didn't fe= el the desire anymore to try and promote or push Ada and use if it meant yo= u were locked in to the GPL (despite the fact that if Ada was popular enoug= h I'd feel the opposite about it!) >=20 >=20 >=20 > No one wants to waste their time and until I felt I had a viable tool sui= te that didn't have the GPL virus in it, Ada was out for public projects fo= r me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I even wrote and used for production an entire Rails for Ada, never bothe= red releasing it. (I've ported some of the code into Gnoga and more will co= me) in this in between time. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am an Application developer. I've written systems stuff, some compiler = stuff, etc., I just don't enjoy it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am a software _artist_ with engineering skills. Coding is meditation, m= agic and music. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I like to make noise and say look at this cool stuff, try this. I want to= share my music, I want to share my enthusiasm for the mystical creation of= new code. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So when I think that I can't share my code with anyone since no one will = be able to use it (remember the Application space doesn't have the 10s of 1= 000s for support contracts) why bother... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sometimes I wonder if I had bother completing the few lines of code left = to GNAVI for Windows if it would have been the VB killer, or if I ported GW= indows to Linux and Mac bringing easy VB like dev everywhere in Ada, maybe = not since Windows _died_ and the Web was born, but who knows. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So as long as I think there is an audience for my music, Gnoga rolls on := ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Botton >=20 >=20 >=20 > yes I have a big head, yes I think too much of my work and what I am doin= g and what it could be, yes sometimes people think it means I think less of= their work (never the case), but dreams make reality, and ambition produce= s results. So be it, I don't get paid to do this somethings got to motivate= change :) Well I'm listening and enjoying it so far, and I think others are too... Ro= ck on David