From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,93a8020cc980d113 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!newshub.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!4988f22a!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <1176150704.130880.248080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <461B52A6.20102@obry.net> <1176332730.826176.286450@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <5FDWh.636$Ea5.357@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.134.100.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.net 1177224897 ST000 70.134.100.216 (Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:54:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:54:57 EDT Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSUGW^WETZSMB_DX]BCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^JWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:54:59 -0800 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15213 Date: 2007-04-21T23:54:59-08:00 List-Id: "kevin cline" wrote in message news:1176332730.826176.286450@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Apr 10, 11:31 am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:59:27 GMT, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote: > > It is because SW engineering is not engineering. kc>>You are right about that. Other engineering disciplines apply kc>>physical laws to the construction of human artifacts. There are no kc>>physical laws governing software. Were it not for the limitations of kc>>human intellect, we could instantaneously produce correct, optimal kc>>machine code to meet any need. Software engineering attempts to kc>>define practices for developing reliable software given our limited kc>>abilities. It is a social science. This is an outdated view of engineering. It is certainly an outdated view of software engineeering. It is true that ordinary programming is usually absent any engineering, But there are many engineering practices can, be applied in the design and construction of software. Engineering was once restricted to the natural world governed by physical laws. For many engineers, this is still their parochial view of the field. But engineering continues to evolve, and the meaning of engineering evolves too. I have posted other comments in this thread about engineering software. I will not repeat them here. But anyone who thinks that software and engineering are incompatible is simply not keeping up with the progress in the field or either software or in the field of engineering. Richard Riehle