From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f5d71,7248e7bb77d059e8 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5d71,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: nigel@access2.digex.net (Nigel Tzeng) Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/20 Message-ID: <59eavv$ml4@access2.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 205108242 references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <58i7qg$fpg@access5.digex.net> <32b00803.2304210038@news> organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1996-12-20T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <32b00803.2304210038@news>, David Bradley wrote: [snip] >Unfortunately they jumped into the OOP pool without first learning how >to swim. They may have taken a lesson or two and could hold their own >in calm waters, but when things get rough they drown. In stead of >realizing they lack knowledge and accepting the responsibility for >their failure they point the finger at OOP. Well...never ever try to run a project with a new technique, process or metholodgy unless you have a few folks who have "mastery" over it and the majority of the staff at the "journeyman" level unless you don't particularly care about if it delivers on time or not. I don't believe that statistics of this sort either "prove" or "disprove" that OO is a success or failure. On the other hand it does show that once again silver bullets don't exist and if you have a shop of SASD folks you need invest quite a bit of money and time before expecting to EQUAL current levels of productivity and quality. After all there are a lot of shops finally getting SASD more or less correct that blowing away a mature process for eventual improvement two or three projects down the line may not be the worlds brightest move a company banking on the success of the current project. I wonder how many SEI level 4+ orgs are OO vs SASD. >David Bradley davidb@datalytics.com Nigel Tzeng