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From: pma@panix.com (Patrick Ma)
Subject: RE: What is wrong with OO ?
Date: 1996/12/18
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Date: 1996-12-18T00:00:00+00:00
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On 12/18/96 Ell <ell@access5.digex.net>  wrote:

>Harry Protoolis (harry@matilda.alt.net.au) wrote:
>: On 14 Dec 1996 23:19:51 -0500, Patrick Ma <pma@panix.com> wrote:
>: >On 12/14/96 Robert C. Martin <rmartin@oma.com>  wrote:
>: >
>: >>OO is not a motivational discipline.  It does not take willpower and
>: >>determination to "do things right".  Rather it takes knowledge and skill.
>
>: >Without a doubt, it takes knowledge and skill to "do things right" in OO.
>: >However, I do think OO is a discipline and it does take willpower and 
>: >determination together with knowledge and skill to "do things right."
>
>I do not think it's primarily any of those things.  I think mainly its a
>matter of approach and perspective.

Elliott,

	Perhaps, we are all driving at the same goal using different terminologies.
The point I am trying to make is when I have the chance to preach/teach OO, I
want to not only make it a technology issue. I like to also make it as a discipline
so that people can follow and practice OO principles with consistency. You use 
the words approach and perspective and Harry used professionalism. Correct
me if I am wrong. I see these words also promoting 'follow and practice OO
principles with consistency.'   

>: >It is willpower and determination of OO discipline that is going to
>: >lead us to 
>: >break through these hurdles created by our very own minds. 
> 
>: What's OO got to do with it ?
>: 
>: Idenitifying and changing errors and bad practices is a matter of
>: *Professionalism*, there is nothing unique to OO that makes it more
>: professional that any other technique.
>: 
>: Of course, turning professional programmers into 'code monkeys' is just
>: begging for this sort of problem ...
>
>Many programmers turn themselves into "code monkeys".  Imo, because they
>belittle the big logical picture.

	Can I say they got turned into "code monkeys" because they didn't have
professionalism, the right approach and prespective or discipline? :) I hope we
are all saying the same thing.


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