From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:4567:: with SMTP id y100-v6mr2392827ita.37.1533956825240; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c6ca:: with SMTP id w193-v6mr248362oif.1.1533956825127; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!border2.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.68.MISMATCH!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!g24-v6no1181142iti.0!news-out.google.com!g5-v6ni892iti.0!nntp.google.com!g13-v6no1187286itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:07:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <591e7b4b-6acd-4020-b477-a0de8c9037c1@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: IEEE Survey Ranks Programming Languages, to embedded applications. Ada ranked 12 From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 03:07:05 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3604 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1785583633 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:54135 Date: 2018-08-10T20:07:04-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-5, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: > fyi; >=20 > IEEE Survey Ranks Programming Languages, to embedded application >=20 > https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=3D1333572 >=20 > Python is number 1. (python program for embedded control system, > controlling things like airplane with hundreds of people > in it sounds really scary to me, but what do I know). >=20 > Ada is ranked #12, at least it shows on the list, so may be there > is still hope. >=20 > --Nasser Embedded software versus embedded realtime software (or realtime embedded s= oftware, whichever you prefer) has always been 2 different categories. For= example, cash register terminals are embedded, but not embedded realtime. = Avionics (especially cockpit and fly-by-wire) is embedded realtime, but in= -flight entertainment systems is merely embedded. And so forth, which is o= ne of the major flaws of this survey. Another flaw is what was the actual verb utilized in the survey question. = There is a massive semantic difference between =E2=80=9Cwhat programming la= nguage do you use=E2=80=9D versus =E2=80=9Cwhat programming language do you= =E2=80=A2prefer=E2=80=A2 to use=E2=80=9D slightly different wordings. The= former majored in engineering at the School of Hard Knocks of what actuall= y worked practically in successful projects. The latter can be interpreted= by the survey-taker a flight of fantasy in the utopia of unicorns & winnin= g lottery tickets, as the survey-taker would wish the future to look like. The really scary thing though is that there are entire DoD contractors here= in the USA that =E2=80=A2never=E2=80=A2 mention Ada in their avionics or k= inetic-weaponry job postings, but always mention Java in those same job pos= tings that are clearly avionics or kinetic-weapons systems. I sort of want= all my nation's weaponry's and fighter aircrafts' (and nuclear power plant= s' and train/rail-signalling systems' and drive-by-wire automotive sytems')= software written with safety-criticality in mind, such as in Ada, not Java= or Python. Oops, mark-&-sweep stop-the-world garbage-collection caused th= e OVERRIDE-DON'T-LAUNCH-THE-MISSILES-IT-WAS-A-FALSE-ALARM event to be ignor= ed until it was too late.