From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 11cae8,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid11cae8,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: ell@access1.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/12 Message-ID: <58p5ou$dkm@news3.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 203708065 references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <32a5ceba.81462731@news.nstn.ca> <32A885CF.5530@csn.net> <32a98036.46416970@news.nstn.ca> <58lbbo$8kl@news.xmission.com> <58mubr$i followup-to: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng organization: DIGEX newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1996-12-12T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: mj@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Organization: The Universe Distribution: Alan Meyer (ameyer@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : In article <58lbbo$8kl@news.xmission.com>, tknarr@xmission.com wrote... : <> : >All too often, though, the "systems analysts" hand me a design document : >which I'm supposed to implement which is exactly the programming : >equivalent of that 1000-foot single-span stone bridge. : I once visited a large municipal government computing shop with 130 people : working there. I was told by the boss that as far as he's concerned, his : "systems analysts" are to do all the thinking and his programmers, he : called them "coders", are just supposed to translate those lofty thoughts : into code. He then thought that the reason the average programmer only : stayed 18 months (remember that's the average, I wonder what the good ones : were doing!) was because that was the nature of the business and programmers : were defective people anyway! Quite a narrow minded manager. : I personally believe that the division into "analysts" and "programmers" is : a dangerous one. If a person can't do both he is likely to do a lot of harm : to a project. An "analyst" that doesn't understand programming will often : specify impractical designs. A "programmer" that can't understand the : needs of the users will often build unusable programs. The best systems : always come from people who make it their business to understand the total : problem from the point of view of the user, the point of the view of the : machine, and everything in between. How about the formulation of an architecture to span the gap? This may or may not require someone who's called an architect. Elliott