From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,7f8fc37d854731d6 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 10461e,7f8fc37d854731d6 X-Google-Attributes: gid10461e,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,7f8fc37d854731d6 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,7f8fc37d854731d6 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,7f8fc37d854731d6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: ell@access2.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Date: 1996/11/13 Message-ID: <56ckvl$9j5@news4.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 196217793 references: <32813322.41C6@kyebek3.kjist.ac.kr> <55pqr5$136a@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <328109CD.6685@concentric.net> <55v177$ufo@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <3283BB94.2D82@concentric.net> <32875B03.3729@iconcomp.com> <328903AD.2786@concentric.net> followup-to: comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.ai organization: The Universe newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.ai Date: 1996-11-13T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Alan Lovejoy (alovejoy@concentric.net) wrote: : Bill Gooch wrote: : > I'd like to hear more about how you think design can be done : > independent of language, and what such a "design" would look : > like. I can see that the most abstract levels of design can : > be language-independent, but refinement from this level is an : > essential aspect (IMO) of doing good design. Such refinement : > necessarily goes down through layers including language, frame- : > work, database,... dependencies; in fact, it takes into account : > *all* requirements, including hardware constraints. : Oh dear. I think what we have here is merely :-) a terminology problem. : : There is a difference between design methodology, the process of producing a design, : and the result of that process. Unfortunately, the term "design" (without modifiers) : can be applied to any or all of these things. As I observe, most in the software engineering area use the term "design" similar to what Gooch is saying above. *Implementation* of analysis. Otherwise there is a muddle. Elliott