From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,e276c1ed16429c03 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular! Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <4cc4cb65$0$6985$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <5086cc5e-cd51-4222-a977-06bdb4fb3430@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <14fkqzngmbae6.zhgzct559yc.dlg@40tude.net> <8732ea65-1c69-4160-9792-698c5a2e8615@g13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <4cc60705$0$23764$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4cc6753c$0$23756$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:07:24 +0200 Message-ID: <52gg2kvo94mp$.1kbk6tiqzwnra$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2010 15:07:25 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 2b22a1b7.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=_ObKC4i^e1BZ=_HA9EHlD;3YcB4Fo<]lROoRA8kF On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:59:29 +0000, Colin Paul Gloster wrote: > Dmitry A. Kazakov sent on October 26th, 2010: >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| >|"2. Considering the parameters you mention, excessively high cost of living| >|presumes that someone else pays for Europeans." | >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > No, it is a high cost of living. If it is a proxy for someone else > paying for Europeans, then I am not aware of it but then neither am I > an economist. But if Europeans pay for themselves where is an excess? I consider it normal to spend the earned. > Shall the Federal so-called Republic of Germany stop subsidizing the > so-called Republic of Ireland during this century? Do you mean EU's subsidizing programs? Some of them are wasting of money, some not. >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| >|"Laziness presumes in this context that the average productivity of an | >|European worker " | >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > I do not know whether or not an average European worker is lazy. I do > not deem laziness to be anti-correlated with productivity. That depends on the measure. In working hours per week? Wouldn't you prefer a lazy Ada programmer, who completes the project before the schedule and spends the rest of the time on the beach, to a C programmer enjoying 16-hours-per-day marathons of patching bug-ridden mess he wrote? >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| >|"is lower than one of a Chinese worker. This is also wrong, | >|very wrong." | >|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > I do not know much about Chinese workers. I imagine that average > Chinese workers are forced to work for much longer than average > European workers, whether or not they are lazy. They are working much harder, but also much less productive. But who is lazy here? Another point. Lazy is someone who deliberately decides not to work. Now, people in China are *forced* to work, otherwise they hunger. [ In USSR there was a legal punishment for those who refused to take a job. Maybe something like this exists in China too. ] Where do you know if they wanted to work more than Europeans under same conditions? > However, in Europe one has legal protection to enforce laziness if a > lazy person in Europe opts to. I disagree. The legal protection of workers is here in order compensate the power an employer has over the employees. This in the end makes workers more productive, from which employers benefit even more than the employees. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de