From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.182.88.134 with SMTP id bg6mr29366868obb.19.1437345481539; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.241.35 with SMTP id wf3mr241447obc.32.1437345481489; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!f3no94751igg.0!news-out.google.com!t2ni15685igk.0!nntp.google.com!pg9no2255967igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874ml0yv84.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=50.138.108.113; posting-account=yiWntAoAAAC1KqC_shmxJYv07B9l6LNU NNTP-Posting-Host: 50.138.108.113 References: <29dd5458-f9ce-4db8-9128-8ab35a9ce5f8@googlegroups.com> <64bc671c-72e5-4924-b703-3b907c69949c@googlegroups.com> <877fq9uj6g.fsf@theworld.com> <65061686-5c8f-433b-9b11-9e228298158e@googlegroups.com> <87k2u96jms.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <06f8a6f9-d219-4d40-b9ac-8518e93839bd@googlegroups.com> <87y4io63jy.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <7a29d3e9-d1bd-4f4a-b1a6-14d3e1a83a4d@googlegroups.com> <87mvz36fen.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <2215b44f-8a89-47c6-a4c4-52b74d2dac45@googlegroups.com> <9e492c82-868d-43d3-a18a-38274400e337@googlegroups.com> <40184feb-4053-4ac3-8eaa-c3bd9cd8a77c@googlegroups.com> <10272577-945f-4682-85bc-8ad47f3653ae@googlegroups.com> <4ae21218-2148-434b-8acc-162f1cce594f@googlegroups.com> <874ml0yv84.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <52c27525-a23a-41e0-a6c4-1187e94ebeb2@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: If not Ada, what else... From: David Botton Injection-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 22:38:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3962 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2494469718 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26893 Date: 2015-07-19T15:38:01-07:00 List-Id: > Are you serious, is GNAT really the only implementation of Ada 2012? Yes > I see a huge list of Ada 95 implementations here: Correct there was still some "mandate" money around and hopes for the old s= tyle long term support contracts to keep coming so they updated to '95. Les= s than a handful had enough business to justify 2005 (not sure how many eve= n completely updated) and AdaCore already managed to leverage most of the l= eftover Ada market post 95 so there was little reason for vendors to keep g= oing other than finish off existing contracts. The way business is done has changed and none of the Ada vendors have manag= ed to adapt, nor likely ever too. It takes a lot of humility to be nimble e= nough to make things work in any business especially today and takes even m= ore humility to cultivate a language community without a "mandate" or googl= e budget. The Ada world has never been known for that trait (but there are/= have been a few good men)... (Oh my if I had a dollar for every snort...) > I know some of those vendors are still selling product but I don't know > that they've been updated for Ada 2012. I don't see what's so difficult > about it if customers are asking for it--the changes are not that large. Vendors are not aligned with the current markets and trends, so there is no= incentive for updates as they can't make money using the old models. AdaCo= re still has some life in it by leveraging the continued work of the open s= ource communities with their own additions (even if not fully appreciating = the contributions of the open source community by publishing a GPL runtime = virus version in the fake guise of an open source developer edition, but as= I've said many times they do contribute back to the FSF, so while they are= not heroes, but they are not villains by any means either).