From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f05f6c2ca4c91ddd X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: nasser@apldbio.com Subject: Re: long term viability of Ada Date: 1996/09/24 Message-ID: <529vd7$h9l@lex.zippo.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 185181190 references: <324219D1.15FFEF33@bright.net> <524sb9$t5g@lex.zippo.com> <529n5f$k68@news.ccit.arizona.edu> organization: Perkin-Elmer newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1996-09-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <529n5f$k68@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, frank@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu says... > >In article <524sb9$t5g@lex.zippo.com> nasser@apldbio.com (Nasser) >writes: > >> I don't see this. Have you looked at the help wanted Ads in the Sunday >> papers lately? >> >> In the commercial sector in the US there is almost no one using Ada. > >This is one of Greg's favorite arguments. > I question whether you can >draw any valid conclusions on this subject by studying classified ads. > Really? If you see 1000 ads asking for skill A, and 1 asking for skill B, are you saying I can't draw any conclusion from this? when I said the Sunday classified Ads, I did not mean literally the Sunday classified Ads, I meant it as a metaphor to mean popular ads, stuff you see on newsgroups, technical magazines, jobs magazines, and the Sunday papers, those sorts of things. >According to one study conducted in a "typical" large and small >American city (San Francisco and Salt Lake City), 75-85% of the >employers did not hire *any* employees through want ads during an >*entire year*. > So? the 75-80% would apply to both the C/C++ crowds as well to the Ada ones. 75% of those who apply to the Ada job through the classified ads do not get considered, and also 75% of those who apply to the C/C++ jobs through the classified ads do not get the job. so we are back to square one. >I personally don't recall ever getting a job through classified ads, >including one that involved Ada programming. How many programmers do >you know who got their job via a classified ad? How did you get your >job? > My first ever job was with EDS , yes, go Perot :) , and that was through a Sunday classified Ad. I spend 4 great years there. My second one was also through a Sunday classified ad, that was with Digital Equip Corp (DEC). I spend a fun 5 years there, my third job was from a classified Ad with Qualcomm Inc. , another fine company. So, Are you happy now ? or do you want me to tell you the rest of my life story :) Ok, now its your turn, tell us how you got your jobs ! Any way, what exactly are we arguing about here? becuase I love to argue, but first I need to know what the argument is about (it sort of makes it easier ). thanks, Nasser --- Nasser Abbasi. Perkin Elmer - Applied BioSystem division. Development of DNA and Protein analysis software. C/C++/UNIX. email: nasser@apldbio.com MSEE, MSCS, MSCE, Fide chess master (FM). "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977