From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ab1d177a5a26577d X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!o21g2000prn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: richard Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What's wrong with C++? Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <525f8b4a-2e54-4290-b606-8ed73e68b12b@o21g2000prn.googlegroups.com> References: <104cfd9f-dbf5-4f05-9c4a-a2319dd371a9@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> <4d5d0c16$0$6972$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <065e06c2-13df-4ef0-8e71-e0f835f7380f@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com> <4d5e5e71$0$6875$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 98.234.34.183 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1298035571 524 127.0.0.1 (18 Feb 2011 13:26:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o21g2000prn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=98.234.34.183; posting-account=6RZ6VgoAAADXiTd8OFh198EMjEniHueR User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5,gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:17421 Date: 2011-02-18T05:26:11-08:00 List-Id: On Feb 18, 3:56=A0am, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On18.02.11 12:34, richard wrote: > > >> Make "+" a little more obscure (if possible) and have > >> a proponent of Ada look for the error... > > >> Or talk about the possibility (or not) of changing the > >> definition of Integer temporarily to a debugging version > >> of Integer whose operations we can trace. > > We do not use predefined type integer in production code. =A0If you > > define your own constrained integer type, this is not likely to be a > > problem. > > I take that as an example of why neither C++ nor Ada can be used > without additional rules made to prevent dangerous situations > from occurring. =A0However, the rules might differ, in quantity and > in quality. > > To me, a more interesting question concerns less hypostatized > circumstances: Given real world programming capacity, > measurable in terms of cost, degree of success, etc., > what are the effects, as measured in projects using either > language, of: > > - given rule set > - programmer education > - language facilities > - actual/idiomatic/dominant use? Your reply does not correspond to the statement in my post.