From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:508e:: with SMTP id m136mr2103918itb.34.1551779480061; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 01:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7602:: with SMTP id k2mr393140otl.357.1551779479752; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 01:51:19 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!4.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!y22no106032ita.0!news-out.google.com!v188ni154itb.0!nntp.google.com!y22no106027ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 01:51:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=194.9.245.14; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.9.245.14 References: <2199b15b-d704-403f-a6c4-00fab29792d5@googlegroups.com> <72738cc8-3f65-4cc1-8c61-b1166cb5e3c2@googlegroups.com> <9807ec3a-4c34-4641-acfa-e9cf22de95ce@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <520809e3-a705-4b10-8b54-6d67c33158a6@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada in command / control systems From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:51:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:55786 Date: 2019-03-05T01:51:19-08:00 List-Id: > > Managers cannot see what programmers do. >=20 > Need they to? I think the established view is that [mis]management is a= =20 > discipline of its own. A manager can manage a diary farm company or a=20 > software house just same... I think that the two statements above explain a lot. If managers have no id= ea what we do and we have no idea what they do, how can we expect software = engineering to be a mature discipline? :-D > Pictures are to convey a general idea or=20 > concept. It is the best way to impress but also to fool an incompetent=20 > manager, customer, buyer. But it is no way to analyze, design implement= =20 > things. I think electrical and hardware engineers (and just about every other engin= eer) would disagree. Everybody relies on pictures and the general consensus= is that you cannot do proper engineering without them. So there is nothing= strange if people expect pictures in software engineering, too. If we cann= ot do them right, it does not mean that the idea itself is wrong. Maybe (ye= s, it's difficult to admit) we are just bad engineers and we try to hide ou= r incompetence behind ever larger amounts or incomprehensible and unmanagea= ble source code. Just thinking. :-) --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com