From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: border1.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 11:09:20 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Help with embedded hardware/software platform selection for ADA References: <31f9819e-6509-4d67-acea-4d2ba9a96c04@googlegroups.com> <4csim6j63mk4.1c54vo5v7eu8c.dlg@40tude.net> <51d280e7$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <51d298bb$0$6558$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 02 Jul 2013 11:09:15 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: f03fe14a.newsspool4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=ZTL?]DMM_=h_0Po7BmQ3]l4IUKjLh>_cHTX3jm9732gZfhhLc X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de X-Original-Bytes: 2279 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:182207 Date: 2013-07-02T11:09:15+02:00 List-Id: On 02.07.13 10:46, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> Vendors: >> >> I still wonder why not a single vendor sells a Ravenscar run-time >> with compiler at a hobbyist price, without support. > > Why a hobbyist would even look at Ravenscar? Doing great things with small things makes programmers proud: 1) People coming from C++ will be proud of having understood the new concurrency building blocks like std::atomic. Similarly for Java. 2) People coming from C are proud of having grasped "small things" like the meaning of "int", or the way CAS and semaphores will work. And of what *they* can do with these. And now its in the new C! 3) Small and speedy is way cooooool. So, ready-made simplicity of full Ada stinks. It is an insult to those who have mastered the above three notions. It hinders flexibility, you know.