From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.66.124.168 with SMTP id mj8mr33020814pab.32.1418101328757; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.36.231 with SMTP id p94mr1209qgp.13.1418101328681; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:02:08 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!h15no15903003igd.0!news-out.google.com!n9ni43qai.0!nntp.google.com!w8no5610066qac.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:02:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.6.147.89; posting-account=VJwTTQoAAABKqOMAgvkZcRCnb3dmjtF- NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.6.147.89 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <515a9c0e-4cc0-4daa-97fc-417b694c907a@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Gnoga and Wasabee From: johannes falcone Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:02:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:23914 Date: 2014-12-08T21:02:08-08:00 List-Id: On Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:38:16 PM UTC-5, moixa wrote: > [I am not a professional programmer, feel free to correct me.] >=20 > Gnoga claims to be a cross-platform mission-critical framework for GUI ap= plications, it achieves this goal by using browser. However, this, inevitab= ly, will use Javascript to communicate with the server. My doubt is, techni= cally, is Javascript a good choice for mission-critical applications? I nev= er liked Javascript, when I heard about Node.js, I couldn't understand it, = why someone want Javascript on the server side, the explanation I came up w= ith is, people are different, some of them like Coke, others like Pepsi. Th= e moment I heard about Gnoga, I was excited, I thought it is something like= Qt framework, but clearly I was wrong. >=20 > I am thinking, is it a good idea to combine Gnoga and Wasabee [Wasabee is= a web browser focus on correctness]? >=20 > Pros: > * We can throw Javascript away, use Ada as its embed language. > * No need to care about the difference between browsers, since we only us= e Wasabee. > * Focus on the focus that the project claims to focus, like security, saf= ety, etc.. > * We can even discard HTML, invent a new markup language, like Mozilla UM= L? [I am not sure this is a good idea, just put it here] > * Use proof-based programming, by proof-based programming, I mean, you ca= n rely more on Ada Contract than testing. >=20 > Cons: > * Wasabee itself is in early stage, so, have a lot of work to do, but at = least we are on the right direction. > * Not cross-platform until you can run Wasabee on every major OS. > * Need Wasabee to run. [I don't think this is a disadvantage, you can dis= tribute Wasabee with your application] I find gnoga exciting. Mentioned ada to my retired radar missile engineer = dad who said 'oh ada was tried by xyz big defense corp, and they didn't lik= e it. Do you find it hard to dispel such talk?