From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,e276c1ed16429c03 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular! Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 02:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <5086cc5e-cd51-4222-a977-06bdb4fb3430@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: <4cc4cb65$0$6985$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.98.68.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1288000059 32007 127.0.0.1 (25 Oct 2010 09:47:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.98.68.197; posting-account=pcLQNgkAAAD9TrXkhkIgiY6-MDtJjIlC User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009012111 Red Hat/3.0.6-1.el5 Firefox/3.0.6,gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14739 Date: 2010-10-25T02:47:38-07:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote on comp.lang.ada: > They weren't killed, they moved into different business. It is the market > of compilers which was killed [by the GPL]. I differ. In the particular case of Ada, I doubt there woult be any market at all if it weren't for the zero-cost editions of GNAT. These attract younger developers and make Ada visible. Personally, I think the GPL saved the market of Ada compilers. Maybe the same effect could have been achieved with non-free compilers at low cost (less than 100 EUR) but the competition from other languages with zero-cost compilers for other languages might have killed the Ada market entirely. >> As for existing companies offering compilers, =A0you have mentioned >> RRSoftware, there are more Ada companies, some of them offer >> compilers at quite the usual prices. You'll have to ask, though. > > I doubt that there is a single company which earns anything from selling > compilers. Those who sell or give compilers for free refund from somewher= e > else. > > This model (also known from Socialism) is not sustainable, so we are > observing the number of compilers for all languages declining, not just f= or > Ada. I don't see what the "sell services, not software" model has to do with socialism. And this model seems to be more than sustainable for AdaCore; this is probably because they made the concious decision *not* to address the SOHO market (i.e. high volume, low margins) at all. -- Ludovic Brenta.