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On 08.10.12 09:31, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> Embedded became bigger than one-man hobby project.


Looking for embedded stuff around here, there is an electronic
$10,- scale. It happens to have destructive software built in.
(The scale refuses to operate now, resetting does not have any
effect.)
It does not have inputs or outputs, except maybe hidden on
its main boards, which measures about 2cm x 1cm, but I cannot
easily take a look.

Another item with digital electronics embedded is an older battery
charger that has an RS 232 serial connector. If you know the
prices of contemporary battery chargers then you know there
cannot be any $30,- PC hardware in it.

And we have a microwave oven. I doubt it has ethernet, although it
seems a likely candidate, given all the attempts at home automation;
I'm also guessing that it's got a very moderate, yet capable micro
controller in it, not a PC. (The user may operate 13 buttons and
two rotary knobs, and watch an LCD display.)  Do microwave ovens
have HiRes timers?