From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.182.11.70 with SMTP id o6mr869174obb.19.1395932635261; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.33.4 with SMTP id n4mr24493obi.9.1395932635155; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Path: backlog4.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!border1.nntp.hkg.giganews.com!news.netfront.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.glorb.com!ur14no14635308igb.0!news-out.google.com!xg2ni54igc.0!nntp.google.com!l13no11805494iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:03:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <71gmwppfsr52.1n74jhbe1j1ga.dlg@40tude.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.226.229.244; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 96.226.229.244 References: <7f1c01c5-3563-4b94-9831-152dbbf2ecdc@googlegroups.com> <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> <3a071d1c-b6d1-4596-83f9-355bc9c29deb@googlegroups.com> <71gmwppfsr52.1n74jhbe1j1ga.dlg@40tude.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5023a141-977a-484e-b081-feb0554525d3@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:03:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:185374 Date: 2014-03-27T08:03:54-07:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:04:44 PM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >=20 > Now is 2014 and there is still no ad-hoc subtypes and supertypes. Subtype= s > are still tightly coupled to the type representation. There is still no > procedural [sub/super]types. Initialization/finalization is still a mess. > Renaming to a subtype is still broken and so on and so forth. Dmitry, for each of these 4 negatively-bashing topics above, please provide= positively-enlightening details (e.g., revealing examples with lucid expla= nation) of precisely what is wrong with the following as well as the desire= d state that is impossible in Ada 2012 as defined: 1) how subtypes could be less-tightly coupled to the type [without damaging= the rest of Ada]; 2) how procedural sub-/supertypes would differ from today's runtime polymor= phism of subroutines in subtypes overriding same-named subroutines in super= types [without damaging the rest of Ada]; 3) precisely in what ways could initialization & finalization be changed to= dismantle the mess [without damaging the rest of Ada]; 4) how renaming to a subtype a subtype could be fixed [without damaging the= rest of Ada] (or equivalently: what are your refutations to the ARG's cur= rent inhibition of renaming to a subtype, i.e., where did the ARG go excess= ively restrictive in their thinking regarding renaming to a subtype).