From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fc89c,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc89c,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,6154de2e240de72a X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,baaf5f793d03d420 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 10db24,4cf070091283b555 X-Google-Attributes: gid10db24,public From: molnard1@nevada.edu (DAVID A MOLNAR) Subject: Re: What's the best language to learn? [was Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Date: 1996/08/15 Message-ID: <4v0bo7$21a@news.nevada.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 174592762 references: <4u7hi6$s2b@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us> <01bb8950$2c8dcc60$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4urmvu$dfp@solutions.solon.com> <01bb89f1$31be4f60$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4ut1sv$ngv@solutions.solon.com> followup-to: comp.edu,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.unix.programmer organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.unix.programmer nntp-posting-user: unauthenticated_user Date: 1996-08-15T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Peter Seebach (seebs@solutions.solon.com) wrote: : Still, why wouldn't, say, scheme, work for this? You can make a *VERY* : simple system - much simpler than assembly for any platform - and show : the students how everything is built on it. : : If all you want to do is show them that the computer is simple, teach them : in Turing machine assembly. :) This reminds me of another point from a previous "CS1 education" thread I saw about a year ago. A teacher had designed his course around a virtual machine of sorts designed to act as a warm and fuzzy way to tackle concepts without having to worry about the pitfalls and idiosyncransies (sp?) of a "real" platform. Unfortunately, the students complained that they "weren't learning anything USEFUL". They regarded learning CS on a machine that was not used in business (and never would be!) as a sort of "waste". Result : poor student performance, and an eventual migration to Windows 3.1, which the students enjoyed, but the instructor was somewhat less satisfied with.