From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,baaf5f793d03d420 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fc89c,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc89c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 123b8d,79cbfdf4caf8a870 X-Google-Attributes: gid123b8d,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,6154de2e240de72a X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: z007400b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Ralph Silverman) Subject: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal? Date: 1996/07/23 Message-ID: <4t2ssr$643@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 169689623 references: <4rs76l$aqd@ccshst05.uoguelph.ca> <4sdlco$rtl@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us> <4sf9e7$kl7@news.jump.net> <01bb74ac$b7aa7860$7b91f780@deangulo> <01bb7591$83087d60$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4sord0$l0k@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> followup-to: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.dos.programmer,comp.lang.ada organization: SEFLIN Free-Net - Broward newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.dos.programmer,comp.lang.ada Date: 1996-07-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar (dewar@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: : " : Never, never, never try to start learning a language before you : learn how to program. A good algorithm simply cannot be replaced, : and learning how to write an alogrithm is in programming, not : in learning a language. You can sit down and read a hundred books : about how to use pointers and linked lists in c++, and you still : won't know how to use them in a good manner, if at all." : I am very familiar with the highly unusual approach Georgia Tech takes, but : I find the above remark rubbish. You cannot express algorithms unless you : use a language to express them in, and for my taste, a well chosen : programming language is as good choice as anything. -- ***********begin r.s. response************* (computer programmers as misfits, nerds, outcasts, outlaws, renegades etc.) traditionally, the art of computer programming fostered, and required, individual, independent thinking. this trend was fostered by the availability, and use, of objective arbitration of competing interpretations and ideas by computer systems... largely, specifically, software development systems, such as compilers... because of this, programmers tended to develop empirical, aauthoritarian views on verification and applicability... in view of this, practically speaking, in the traditional system, clever students might readily challenge teachers. efforts to overturn this traditional system in the education of programmers may be rooted in the perceived social disruption caused by such, more than by any putative effort to improve the education of these. ***********end r.s. response*************** Ralph Silverman z007400b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us