From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,af40e09e753872c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 10db24,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10db24,public X-Google-Thread: f8c65,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf8c65,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 1008e3,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1008e3,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,f292779560fb8442 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: peter@fourier.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) Subject: Re: The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hungarian notation) Date: 1996/06/05 Message-ID: <4p2jau$hkp@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 158501966 references: <4o07o9$rfu@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> <4o1vo3$p2a@news1.ni.net> <4oegks$ntn@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> followup-to: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.modula2,comp.edu,comp.lang.eiffel organization: The University of Newcastle reply-to: peter@tesla.newcastle.edu.au newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.modula2,comp.edu,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1996-06-05T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Clark L. Coleman (clc5q@mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote: >The real problem in academia in this regard is the continual assignment >of projects that will only take 1 to 3 pages of final source code. This is indeed the problem, and I don't know how to solve it. Those of us with experience in real-world projects know that there's a radical difference between the techniques needed to write a big program and those needed to write a "Hello world" program. Most students don't understand this, and frankly I don't know how to get the message across. In my own teaching I do assign programming projects that require many pages of code and a fair bit of supporting documentation. That, however, is for a fourth year subject. I can't see any practical way to do this in a first year subject. Perhaps this wouldn't matter if we could be sure that all the students did the full four years. I have the impression, however, that a lot of CS graduates are managing to graduate without having had to do a lot of serious programming in their course. In this and similar threads, I keep seeing comments that sound as if they're from first-year students, but where the people making the comments claim to be real-world professional programmers. If they're not faking their credentials, then the level of professionalism out there is really lousy. -- Peter Moylan peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au http://www.eng.newcastle.edu.au/ee/Moylan.html OS/2 freeware list at http://www.eng.newcastle.edu.au/ee/Moylan/os2/os2info.html