From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f8c65,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf8c65,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,af40e09e753872c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,f292779560fb8442 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1008e3,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1008e3,public X-Google-Thread: 10db24,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10db24,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,30e368bdb3310fe5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Bob Rodgers) Subject: Re: Hungarian notation Date: 1996/05/23 Message-ID: <4o2an1$qn1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 156355257 references: <4adem2$b5s@mercury.IntNet.net> <4n6off$6e2@mikasa.iol.it> <3198F30F.2A2@zurich.ibm.com> <4nsg3f$liu@solutions.solon.com> <31a3b322.442404233@sqarc> <4o19k3$o4b@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> organization: University of Maryland College Park newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.modula2,comp.edu,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1996-05-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: ok@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (Richard A. O'Keefe) wrote: >willer@carolian.com (Steve Willer) writes: >>Besides, let's say for the sake of argument that you're not using HN: [...] >Well, that's a problem with C++, not a benefit of (non-H)N. [..] >I wonder why Lisp programmers have never felt the need for HN? OK, so your point is, C++ sucks. Well, that's fine, but it's not constructive or relevant to HN: HN attempts to resolve some of the most common errors made by C/C++ programmers. That HN is *also* a good argument for not using C++, hey, that's nice, but it doesn't speak to the merits (or lack of) when using HN in C++. >Fifty years of programming language research, and we end up with C++ ??? Nope, commercial developers end up with C++. The adventurous are toying with Portable GCed C++ With Really Awful Window Library (aka "Java"). The Smalltalk and Lisp programmers end up happy, with OO pruism, demos and small custom apps for which performance is not in the design criteria. If everyone could use Eiffel (my favorite) or Smalltalk or Lisp, everyone would. Unfortunately, some of us live in reality. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rsrodger homepage & gallery http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rsrodger/project.htm rsrodger@wam.umd.edu