From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,a25ba90dcc8a209f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: guest@ionet.net (guest) Subject: Re: AAS, was it Ada? Cleanroom? Date: 1996/05/01 Message-ID: <4m6jcc$o50@ionews.ionet.net> X-Deja-AN: 152331029 references: <199604260127.VAA10999@bb.iu.net> content-type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII organization: IONet mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1996-05-01T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <199604260127.VAA10999@bb.iu.net>, harbaugh@ACUSYS.COM says... > >Nancy posted a brief statement on the incose (international council on >systems engineering) bb that AAS was an almost complete waste of 6 billion >dollars. I asked her to elaborate and below is her reply. > >I recall seeing an IBM exhibit at either a Tri-Ada or IITSC conference ( I >can't remember which). The person showing the large round display was very >zealous about the system. I looked closely and saw that the display >contained many repetions of the same aircraft. When I pointed it out he >mumbled and started talking to someone else. It would have made a good >Dilbert cartoon. > >So, was AAS Ada? It sounds like software was not the problem, I'm just >curious about the language. > >Was AAS cleanroom design? Again it doesn't sound like software design was >the problem, again I'm just curious. > >Is Nancy off base with her comments? > >sam harbaugh >----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > >>To: "Sam Harbaugh (AQ)" >>cc: incose list >>Subject: Re: Feasibility >>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:09:31 PDT >>From: Nancy Leveson >> >> >> Nancy >> --------------------------------------- >> Could you or anyone post a reference for the statements that >> >> 1. The system cost 6 billion dollars >> >>Sorry, I got the number a little bit wrong (but not much). According to >>Business Week, April 26, 1993, the AAS project had cost (at that time) >>$5.1 billion, which was already $1.5 billion over its budget, and >>climbing. I don't know what the final total is (or will be?). >> >> 2. Almost all of it has been thrown away. >> >>The process started in 1982, when the FAA started the system development >>and said that it would be introduced first into the Seattle area in 1992. >>In 1990, Congress was upset about projected delays (the FAA announced a >>19-month delay) and launched an investigation into cost overruns and >>mismanagement of AAS. In 1992, more problems arose and a second 14 month >>delay was announced. The FAA threatened IBM with cancellation of the >>program (they issued a "cure" letter, which is the first legal step in >>interminating a contract). At the time of the Business Week article I >>noted above (April 1993), IBM announced that the project was at least 9 >>years from completion and the new system would not be in place until well >>after 2000. >> >>One of the things in the article pertinent to this discussion is that >>the requirements were never carefully written (I was involved in the >>design competition for the system in the 1980s when I was consulting for >>Hughes and I told the FAA then that their requirements specifications >>were inadequate). They don't seem to have asked the controllers what >>they thought of the design until late in the process (1990), when 500-700 >>changes then had to be made in the specification. >> >>After that, I remember some official studies were made of the project for >>the FAA (I don't remember the names of who did them -- maybe someone else >>does) to determine whether they should continue. I spoke privately to some >>people involved in these studies. An official announcement was made >>sometime later that most of the system would be canceled but that some >>parts could be salvaged. >> >> What are they using if they threw away the new system? >> >>The old system. >> >> Who was the contractor(s)? IBM for software? >> >>IBM for software and for the consoles as I understand it. I don't know >>if anyone else was involved. >> >> What was the problem? Not understanding air traffic control? >> >>I tried to explain this above. My take is that the primary problem was >>that nobody did a proper requirements analysis at the beginning. But >>others may have a different opinion. >> >>Nancy >> >> As a developer for a sub, then an independent, and finally placing developers myself; this should give you an idea of how this project was considered the premiere cash cow of the 90's. My recollections were of 4000 developers, in at least a dozen locations, divided into four separate deliveries, to be implemented in sliding schedules, and development staff growing in double digits. My previous experience was three years of Ada in the military and two years commercial. I thought these were some of the brightest Ada minds I had ever worked with. QA/QI was very thorough, perhaps even limiting at times, this was an issue and should be. I didn't think the design documentation was lacking (maybe I've just had to produce with much less in my time) or below the standards I received in the military. I recall working long and hard hours, just to get decent Ada work. I felt the focus was not on producing results, but, extending the work and expanding the staff. The three things I remember as obstacles were change control, project turnover, and tool automation (sounds like most projects I've worked on). I remember helping support and update an Ada source code generator written in REXX using Bachman case tool design. Our designs came off of a mainframe environment. There was an IBMer tech lead and we talked about the systems engineers as if they were Elvis sightings. Calling like I remember... -- Troy E. Swallow (405) 942-3327 or (405) 943-1408 -- hochunk@ionet.net