From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:9c8f:: with SMTP id f137-v6mr9857725ioe.27.1525466105119; Fri, 04 May 2018 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5c8d:: with SMTP id a13-v6mr1984442oti.0.1525466104992; Fri, 04 May 2018 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsreader5.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!u74-v6no637598itb.0!news-out.google.com!15-v6ni1886itg.0!nntp.google.com!u74-v6no637597itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <9c3a75d6-a01f-4cfa-9493-10b8b082ead8@googlegroups.com> <114db2c4-1e8c-4506-8d7c-df955dd9f808@googlegroups.com> <87d0yc1lsq.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t901jp4.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4ed4a3d4-98e7-463c-abb9-c58956f87ddd@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Precisely why can't official FSF GNAT maintainers copy bug fixes in GNAT & its GCC-contained runtime en masse from GNAT GPL Community Edition? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 20:35:05 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 4166 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1141719186 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51988 Date: 2018-05-04T13:35:04-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 2:53:05 PM UTC-5, wrote: > Dan'l Miller wrote: > > What FSF got was irrevocable assignment of all ownership. The content = of the files doesn't matter > > to the owner of the legal rights to that content. As assignee, FSF own= s the content of those > > rights-assigned files no matter what the assigner legitimately put into= them as work for hire. >=20 > I think you have big misunderstanding how copyright works. FSF > got files at some specific time (in particular due to initial > assignment). Changes to those file also are covered by > copyright, you can distribute changed files only by agreement > of _all_ copyright owners, I think that you have a big misunderstanding of how irrevocable assignmen= t works. > in this case Ada Core(additions) When these =E2=80=9Cadditions=E2=80=9D are edits to files to which the ri= ghts to copy have been irrevocably assigned to FSF, then these are derivati= ve works, whose ability to copy are governed by the GMGPL, even for AdaCore= to copy, because their or NYU's irrevocable assignment disowned all owners= hip (hence the word assignment) forever (hence the word irrevocable). > and > FSF (base version). The true base version of the most important files were at NYU, as governed = by the Air Force contract for Ada9X Project than in exchange for receiving = $3 million reportedly required assigning all rights to copy to FSF. > Do not be fooled by copyright statements > in files: copyright exists i.e., copyright exists in 1992 & 1993 at NYU for the most interesting file= s in GNAT without copyright notices, but now that those files have copyrigh= t notices, those notices and their referenced licensing are in full effect,= superseding any historical implicit lack of notices in prior editions of t= he work. Precisely where in United States statutory law or the ratified tr= eaties does it say otherwise? > even if there is no explicit > statement in files. > ...=20 > Concerning FSF, I think that they know what Ada Core > is doing and accept that. I would enjoy hearing RMS's statements regarding that topic of being fully = aware. > I personaly think that > Ada Core is subverting GPL, but apparently FSF > either thinks that what Ada Core is doing is right or > decided to compromise to have a contributor. I would enjoy hearing RMS's statements regarding that topic of compromising= software freedom, for going along to get along.