From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,b92b95c9b5585075 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!195.96.0.7.MISMATCH!newsfeed.utanet.at!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:27:41 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110613 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why use C++? References: <1e292299-2cbe-4443-86f3-b19b8af50fff@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <1fd0cc9b-859d-428e-b68a-11e34de84225@gz10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <9ag33sFmuaU1@mid.individual.net> <1d8wyhvpcmpkd.ggiui9vebmtl.dlg@40tude.net> <150vz10ihvb5a.1lysmewa1muz4$.dlg@40tude.net> <1q4c610mmuxn7$.1k6s78wa0r8fj.dlg@40tude.net> <4e44e50a$0$7619$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <4e4560e7$0$6546$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4e46519e$0$7614$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2011 12:27:42 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 847babb6.newsspool1.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=]=O2e_@C84]E47KDAk81NWic==]BZ:af^4Fo<]lROoRQ<`=YMgDjhgRY]kYm`@K4aUPCY\c7>ejVX[>g@JBWoL>Ro012[gKe9@Q X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.c++:82919 comp.lang.ada:20598 Date: 2011-08-13T12:27:42+02:00 List-Id: On 12.08.11 21:51, Jed wrote: > So the benefit, then, just not having to learn something? "Oh no, not again." (1) If you need to know X in order to write program P, you should have learned X. (2) If you do not need to know X for writing P, having learned X neither helps nor hurts. (e.g. X ::= float) (3) If a language L1 requires X for P, you must learn X. (4) If a language L2 doesn't require X for P, you may learn X, but need not. (5) If P produced by L1 equals P produced by L2, then we don't need X for P. QED (There may be other reasons for needing both L1 and L2, but not X for P.) When a language L2 exists, its existence demonstrates that we can drop features of L1 and still get P, exactly. If X has show that it can hurt, this may be incentive to drop X for a better replacement.