From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,e276c1ed16429c03 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!193.201.147.84.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi2.netcologne.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!noris.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:06:44 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular! References: <4cc4cb65$0$6985$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <5086cc5e-cd51-4222-a977-06bdb4fb3430@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <14fkqzngmbae6.zhgzct559yc.dlg@40tude.net> In-Reply-To: <14fkqzngmbae6.zhgzct559yc.dlg@40tude.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4cc572d5$0$6769$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Oct 2010 14:06:45 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 3634bf67.newsspool3.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=KEUMcKIX5UO2:OR3:3gaE@McF=Q^Z^V3H4Fo<]lROoRA8kFJLh>_cHTX3jMBGoRFjod4LM X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14745 Date: 2010-10-25T14:06:45+02:00 List-Id: On 25.10.10 12:33, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > Redistribution is the key. You pay/invest in not what you get/sell. It is a > distorted relationship between the producer and consumer. > > The point is that service is secondary to the product. I imagine that theorists of how-to-build-software-business will emphasize differently: Mathematically, the most important good is the one that produces the highest profit, respecting the limiting factors such as law, strategy, or other obligations. Criteria such as how-to-find-a-societal-optimum in a market economy seem to be artifacts of macro economy without positive manifestation anywhere. Redistribution is a multivariate function of n-compiler : m-customers, ceteris paribus. Can you name the latter? > It is a parasite living on the host. (So he who rides a horse is a parasite? :-) > The success of the former [parasite, service] means nothing good > for the latter [host, compiler]. The above is a value judgment on compiler business: Assume that a customer wanting to buy an XYZ compiler gets a better deal if - the language is simple, efficient, and consistent. - the compilers just work. - both are true for years. The above customer's desire will, however, fail to influence the compiler market, or the language. For one thing, customers may be competitors themselves. Consequently, even when a language is complex, even when compilers need constant attention, and thus create substantial cost, customers will still not, in effect, unite to obviate either complexity of language or quality of compilers. Who does, then? Ages old rhetoric will assist either side. Every forty-something will have little difficulty explaining that anything of the above is not really important, too principled, "get a life", family is what matters, business is corrupt, anyway, the compiler business, too, needs an income, etc etc. Does it matters little, then, when some SPARK project seems to shine even when seen from an economic perspective, being (almost?) under budget, and in time? > That this model of software development (not only compiler development) is > not socially/economically sustainable is obvious when you consider present > software quality (miserable), the types of software being developed (mostly > useless/damaging), the amount of resources spend directly/indirectly on > software (huge waste). Do you have the numbers of compiler makers who sold nothing but compilers in, say, the late 1980s versus the same numbers as of today? Numbers of licenses sold?