From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,fd2f984f8ef238d1 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!news.netcologne.de!ramfeed1.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:29:39 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why so hard to come up with a simple embedded Ada system? References: <37da1783-b355-4d43-a9a8-7f0d4ba4da9c@t13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <6z43tsypm0g7$.1n3qizisulnrs$.dlg@40tude.net> <3fb3f705-d0f2-4323-8215-19ed91adbe24@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3fb3f705-d0f2-4323-8215-19ed91adbe24@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4c41da73$0$6890$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2010 18:29:40 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 7224b117.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=oejV8jnS_QZC=;71H2RGe01G2\1 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12455 Date: 2010-07-17T18:29:40+02:00 List-Id: On 7/17/10 10:45 AM, MRE wrote: > Personally I have a > project up and > running where three of my students write code in Ada for AVR (8-Bit > and 32-Bit). > You can find decent Ada cross-compilers for both and that's what I > use. > > If you ask me however to do a similar thing for say MSP430, sorry I > can't. I don't > have a clue how to generate the cross-compiler for Ada and I don't > know how to > write / adapt the Ravenscar-Runtime. Furthermore I just don't have the > time to lern > it and I lack the ressources to have my students do it. Is there, in your view, a way to approach the subject as a cooperative effort, touchy as it may be, with the simpler goal of gradually improving an AVR run-time system and the tools? Maybe making it portable where possible so more vendors become interested? If PR noise and bureaucratic overhead have shown to be counterproductive, maybe occasional produce from here and there is more effective in helping the effort catch on. An AVR teaching environment could then become visible even on the radar of those departments where a preference is for more abstract computer models.