From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d76796391769899 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!news.weisnix.org!newsfeed.ision.net!newsfeed2.easynews.net!ision!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool3.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:15:04 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GCC conflict on Ubuntu for mixed Ada/C++ project References: <41d3829e-286d-4894-9140-31343bfa75ac@o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <82y6fgxncs.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <82aarux3g3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <2da7ba0b-0c45-4c7b-a523-b3438e43212a@j27g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <827hmsaf7z.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <25018ee3-be56-45e3-bc73-6a6a5f1a3c81@a29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <25018ee3-be56-45e3-bc73-6a6a5f1a3c81@a29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <4c1798f8$0$7662$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2010 17:15:05 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: bd1f5d16.newsspool1.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=SRi7[h9ck>B2:OR3:3gaE@ic==]BZ:afN4Fo<]lROoRA<`=YMgDjhgBdVcF>55@P_Anc\616M64>JLh>_cHTX3jM[giia9=GUJF X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:12730 Date: 2010-06-15T17:15:05+02:00 List-Id: On 15.06.10 15:45, zeta_no wrote: > On Jun 14, 4:55 pm, Warren wrote: >> zeta_no expounded in news:c4259b0a-3d91-45e8-b88f- >> d76c4c0e0...@z31g2000vbk.googlegroups.com: >> >>> Stephen Leake wrote: >> >>>> Compared to what? What other open source language community is better >>>> organized? >> >>> Python appeared in 1991. It has bindings and projects for almost >>> everything. It is used everywhere on open source projects. How much (...) > >> Both have their uses, but their popularity >> hardly makes a "superiority statement". It only means that >> they've been well accepted without implying much about their >> application. It's like saying MS Windows is the best design >> based upon sales. > > Never said Python is superior to Ada, the question was: What other > open source language community is better organized? > Python, managed to attract armies of dev., new and old. What happened > with Ada during those years? > > ... they closed university class on Ada. (Ecole Polytechnique de > Montreal, in Canada: INF6300, dead) Superficial observation tells that one generation of teachers leaves schools, another is coming. Do they have a choice when selecting a shiny reputable language? Ada's early history may have been a debacle, both socially and economically. For proof see the 2nd � of http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/frames.asp?uri=1996/03/AnAdaFor.asp If teachers' opinions have been shaped during that time, then possibly they have not changed much, later. Whatever arguments against Ada have been invalidated by events, as a teacher wanting to choose Ada you'd have to stand up against previous choices, in particular against choices of influential colleagues still in town... However, there is the GNAT Academic Program, and the list of participating universities is reportedly growing, http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/members/ So if attracting teachers and students is a sign of community organization, this should should be one data point.