From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,23c0de5a42cf667e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!noris.net!news.teledata-fn.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool3.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:49:49 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT packages in Linux distributions References: <16bz9kvbqa8y9$.155ntpwpwl29d.dlg@40tude.net> <4be97bea$0$2966$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr> <1p87qdlnjbufg.127laayhrw9x3$.dlg@40tude.net> <4j73xhgimt6r$.pu55kne2p2w5$.dlg@40tude.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <4c09047d$0$6976$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 04 Jun 2010 15:49:49 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: c846ea46.newsspool4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=k4aNN6IPa\O6PJ?[X6JIXE4IUKJLh>_cHTX3jMRR_9B1naAGB X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11279 Date: 2010-06-04T15:49:49+02:00 List-Id: On 03.06.10 15:49, (see below) wrote: > On 03/06/2010 04:16, in article op.vdpfdcgoxmjfy8@garhos, "Yannick Duch�ne > (Hibou57)" wrote: > >> Le Thu, 27 May 2010 17:21:57 +0200, (see below) >> a �crit: >>> My experience is that CS/SE students always focus on "coding" at the >>> expense >>> of problem analysis, program design, project planning, verification, >>> validation, documentation, and anything else they find less congenial. >> I always though this was not so much with these students. So why do they >> choose it if they are not aware of what it requires ? > > They are aware. That makes no difference. Coding invariables makes me think of a tricky(?) question: What should a language look like that naturally makes the programmer think before coding, and take his/her time? What would its features and offerings have to be? One inescapable ingredient of any popular PL seems to be magic at the level of syntax, if this is how programmers most visibly see themselves express themselves. Can't force them to wear boring ties. Eiffel's syntax appears to be expanding ... If overloadings of polymorphically clever ASCII punctuation digraphs offer the neccessary magic, I guess this will explain OCaml and its MS adaptation F#, soon to be pushed into the market. Bracket free... Maybe some Cobol style modules headers listing major internal and external parts to be manipulated might help?